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I wish I had the math to figure out if this idea is feasible, so I'm putting it out there for anyone who might be able to use it. If it is possible to pump water uphill with a hydraulic ram, which requires no outside energy source except the air pressure that naturally pushes down on any body of water, then why can't you pump the water into a tank, then run it back down to the pond through a pipe which passes across a water turbine and generate some electricity that way? It probably wouldn't be much, but if you are using a 12v system, are conservative in your use of electricity, and have other systems, such as solar,wind,human power, etc. and if you hook up more than one ram to pump into the same tank, you ought to be able to augment your electricity production pretty much for free once the system is installed. Does this make any sense to anyone who knows how to do stuff?
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makes sense to me, there has to be some engineer freaks out there to comment...don't know how many are thinking outside the box, but your hydraulic ram to generate electricity would work,with several rams, i would think.
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Deblee, not sure I'm answering to what you're describing. But as I understand hydraulic rams, they are in-stream reciprocating pumps. Certainly they can be used the way you suggest, but if pumping the water to a height, might just as well use the energy directly to drive a turbine. But you mention atmospheric pressure as initial power source and so I may not be talking about the same thing. Anyway, like your thinking.
Then go to Electric Junta's main page for many other ideas, take and post as many of them here as you want, the more info swapping, the more people know about their options. Their main page http://www.fighting.org/discus/messages/441/441.html
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Thanks for the sincere replies. I've learned a bit since last posting. Hydraulic rams use the force of a lot of water rushing onto the ground to pump a small amount of water to a height. Free energy if you live on the Olympic peninsula and your pond gets refilled every day! I want to live in the high desert or Rocky Mts. I'm sure there are creative ways to become energy-independent. I'm a hiker,not a biker--how about a giant hamster wheel? Good way to keep the grandkids busy, too! I'm serious--can it be done? Is it worth doing?
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Yes,it can be done and has been done,for hundreds of years,Human Powered wheels have run grain Mills,orphans were employed in England as late as the turn of the century and slaves have been used to pump water this way...a hamster cage would work fine,with the right gears.youll generate about 1/3 horse power which is a good amount if you are conservative with electricity.LED lights and and small radio,tapeplayer,cellphone..
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